i mean, in a lot of ways as we were doing this reporting, i kept going back to the nsa wiretapping program and the people who said, well, i'm going to sue about this, and the government says, you can't sue because you don't know if you were wiretapped, and we can't tell you if you were wiretapped because that would, you know, jeopardize national security. >> are these people being wiretapped? is that one of the things they're doing routinely? >> we don't have any information about any sort of wiretapping, you know, blanket wiretapping programs. but we know the nypd did push years ago to try to get fisa authority which was, you know, seen at the justice department as a real -- a real grab to try to have the ability to do wiretapping. you know, that was unsuccessful, but we didn't uncover any information about that. >> adrian fenty, as mayor of washington, d.c., another city that, of course, was attacked on september 11th, anything similar to this within the washington police department? >> you know, we have a much smaller police department. 50,000 here in new york, 4,000 down in d.c.